As some of you know, this blog has been offline for five months. The reason? A copyright claim. Who filed it isn't important. But google saw fit to block access to the blog and our corresponding email account. We still don't have access to our email, but the blog is back up and running.
Here's what happened: a third party who holds no intellectual rights to any of the material shared on this blog under fair use doctrine claimed to google that we were infringing on said rights. Google blocked us, and informed me via my private email that I had been banned under their terms of service. Initially, they wouldn't even tell me who made the claim; I had to get legal help to find all of this out.
My attorney team cut through the red tape and challenged the claim. The claimant never responded, and today I got an email from google letting me know I once again had access to my blog.
I want to personally thank the Lex Mundi Pro Bono Foundation for the help they provided in this matter.
That's all for now. More news soon.
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ReplyDeleteUnless you've been given legal advice not to do so, I'd out the sonofabitch.
ReplyDeleteYour actually not the only one this happened to.
ReplyDeleteA few other Blogspots & fanmade Facebook pages (all run by Google) are being removed w/ cease and dease notices or for false identity. Kind of their way of dealing with Piracy.
So...what's the status on the edit? The final stages of post-production were underway back before the blog went down, I thought. Great to have you guys back!! :)
ReplyDeletestill no update
ReplyDeleteSTOP LYING WE KNOW YOU MADE THIS WHOLE THING UP AS A JOKE
ReplyDeleteJust kidding, glad to see an update and a reason for the delay. Looking forward to finally seeing this edit!
Belive it or not, the fan edit only makes up a small fraction of what this sites all about.
ReplyDeleteI would really like to see an article soon talking about the different sound mixes made for the each Godfather version and wonder if there are any audio cues that are exclusive or different to certain releases.
After all these years......
ReplyDeleteI wish they will at last give DOWNLOAD links!
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ReplyDelete(Believe it or not, the fan edit only makes up a small fraction of what this sites all about. )
DeleteI agree,
I actually really enjoyed reading the updates that were posted before like the "Chronological Cuts, Extended Editions and Fanedits", "The Visual Design of The Complete Epic Trilogy", and many of the answers that were given for the comments and would like to see more updates like that, it doesn't have to always be about the fan edit. I will say that the "Sources" page is my favorite, as for me it's mostly a list of which Godfather releases I should look out for and add to my collection and was wondering if you could maybe update it with new ones you might have come across since then.
I do have just one question about the fan edit, What exactly did you use to capture most of the items listed here http://godfathermuseum.blogspot.com/2015/03/sources.html
Did you use a video capture card?, a dvd recorder?, or maybe a dv camcorder ?
Wow! There is never a shortage of assholes in this world. Good to know to you put him in his place.
ReplyDeleteI have been on your blog for about a year now, while I can understand the frustrations of some who have been waiting for the cut since many years, I think people should realize this isn't a paid job for you and they aren't entitled to scream at and abuse you.
Despite being a huge Godfather fan, I don't really care how long you take to finish it. I am sure its going to be something grand and awesome whenever it comes out. It's feels good to know there exists a mega-cut of the best film ever made even if it's work in progress.
Good luck guys!
no update :(
ReplyDeleteafter releasing the godfather you could work on the apocalypse now workprint
ReplyDeleteCould you just answer when will the download links be available ???
ReplyDeleteI'm sure that we all want to know this in the 1st place.
"after releasing the godfather you could work on the apocalypse now workprint"
ReplyDeleteRelease date: 2035. :D
No, no way! Too much earlier! Let's say 2055! LOL
ReplyDeleteThis taking to long so i making my own version of the godfather 720p all footage clear and clean
ReplyDeleteWhile your at it, make your own BlogSpot to post all the impatient comments you want.
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ReplyDeleteno man gonna release it start ti torrent
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ReplyDeleteEllo. I hope the project is going good. Just wishing you guys a happy holiday.
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ReplyDeleteFirst off, let me be clear that I'm not the same person making these whining comments whose clearly judging by his actions is a nobody in life.
ReplyDeleteYou know it's just really messed up that this guy is pouring his heart out to everyone in supporting him for this project and to be patient, but all everyone does is treat him like sh!t.
I've just recently learned about this project and the articles written here are very insightful. I'm looking forward to seeing how it all comes together in the end as I'm sure this will undoubtedly be the Godfather version to surpass all other Godfather versions.
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ReplyDeleteI have a question that I noticed wasn't asked before
ReplyDeleteIn Modernknife's Chronological Epic, the scene of Michael and son Anthony in bed where Michael says "You got me a present?" was placed before the shooting in Part II as written in the original script.
Will it play out like that for the CET ?
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DeleteIt's near finished within 2 week it be on torrent
ReplyDeleteJust remember it's not chronological but i will be working on that version later
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ReplyDeleteHappy New Year to the Webmaster(s) of The Godfather Museum!!
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ReplyDeleteI cant download from this links...
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ReplyDeleteWhat is the runtime of this extended edition???
the longest version of 3 parts should be ca 630 minutes, first two parts around 450-460 minutes... am I right ???
no the godfather part 3
ReplyDeleteJanaury 17th on HBO their showing the Godfather Epic. This will probably be a better source than the AMC HDTV airing. Since HBO doesn't have their logo at the bottom of the screen.
ReplyDeleteThis is history. The runtime is 424 minutes. This "Godfather Epic" will be like the original Godfather Saga release in 1977 except without the opening and ending credits. With the opening and ending credits, it runs to about 434, and without them it's around 424 minutes. The Godfather Epic that will be shown on HBO should not be mistaken with the vhs release of 386 minutes. The will truly be history because there will be no HBO logo, no commercials and the violence and language will be there.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if some scenes will be cut out like in the original saga. The hospital with the reporters scene and anthony's first communion bit in the beginning of GFII and like one or two scenes that was not in the saga but was in The Godfather Trilogy 1901-1980 Chronological VHS. We will see though. Can't wait and by now in 2016, there should be a lot of people including myself that will have to record this/dvr it or whatever.
It can be extended Epic release.
DeleteEven HBO use same title.
Godfather The Epic 1901-1959 Rare Japan LaserDisc
Runtime: 423 Minutes
Technical Details
LD Release Date: 25 Jan 1991
Catalog Number: PILF1147
UPC: 4988102044916
Manufacturer: Pioneer Japan
Publisher: CIC Video
Diameter: 12"
Sides: 8
Cover: Box Set
Spoken Language: English
Country: Japan
Video Format: NTSC
https://dadons-laserdiscs.com/godfather-the-epic-1901-1959-rare-laserdisc
i live in england so what channel will it be on over here
ReplyDeleteBy god...I just realized that this new HBO airing of the Saga will more than likely mean that this edit will be delayed yet again...I've been patient for a long time but DAMN
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ReplyDeleteYes, now they need to delay. LOL
DeleteHI everyone, my name is Hal_over_9000 i am the faneditor of the Godfather Extended Editions. The reason i am writing this message is because i just reviewed Hbo's version of the chronological saga and i am amazed to say that they have included EVERY SINGLE GODFATHER SCENE IN EXISTENCE in their cut in FULL 1080p!!!!! And i mean literally every single scene, including those not included in the AMC version. HBO's cut is full and uncensored which means it is now the 100% definitive version of the saga. Take my advice, get a copy of HBO's version because no fanedit will ever match its quality , not mine, not modernknife's and sadly enough not even this one.
ReplyDeleteDon't you mean 1080i? No one broadcasts in 1080p. Only Blu-Ray is 1080p, right? (Except for 4K streaming of some places, which is of course, 4K.
DeleteHI Hal, and everyone in the godfather museum. First of all. That HBO is by FAR the best version of the saga. Although NOT every scene is in this cut. I watched it all and here are the scenes missing.
ReplyDelete1) The last 2 seconds of Tom leaving woltz mansion. Right after the mother tells the girl Janie "I thought I told you never to leave the room"
2) Michael telling Kay to go back to the hotel after talking to Sonny about how his father got hit.
3) 2 seconds of The Corleone compound right after Tom hugs his wife Theresa from coming back from Sollozzo.
4) Like 5-8 seconds of the Corleone compound literally after we see Paulie's dead face on he the wheel and right before Michael is sitting on the bench before Clemenza says "Hey Mikey, hey mikey you're wanted on the telephone
5) Vito telling Michael that he wants to go outside and talk. Right after he tells Michael "Looks like you found you're Luca Brasi" referring to Al Neri
6) The Corleone compound in Lake Tahoe Nevada where people setting up tables and a dog is running around and we see Michael looking at the lake.
7) Santino Jr. How's the football or how's the book coming.
These are the only scenes that didn't make it. All of these except #7 is on the 2012 AMC version. Everything else is PERFECT. Uncut, not commercials. I loved the editing and transitioning.
Hal, I loved your extended versions. I prefer to actually watch part 1 and part 2 extended instead of chronological. Can you please use this cut and the blu ray or whatever an remake the extended versions? That way the edits look professional and also the transitions. Also so we don't see the AMC blurs in red. And also if you do, please keep the subtitles on when they speak Italian. I noticed you took them off completely on your extended versions. For these 7 deleted you can put the AMC versions of course. That would be great man
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ReplyDeleteSorry, #1 and #7 scenes are not in the AMC version. But overall those 7 scenes are not present, which probably adds up to less than a minute. I'm not sure why they aren't included, with the exception of #1 and #7 because maybe it's too damaged for HD. Everything else is perfect. Nothing cut out for time or commercials. Everything UNCUT. Major ones like "Colombo saying "I'll kick your Sicilian ass instead of tail" Frank P saying can of peas my ass instead of eye.
ReplyDeleteAlso, one last thing: The very first few lines of Michael's Senate testimony "New York City, would you mind speaking up please, New York City" is not present. Again I don't know why, probably because of editing issues, but this one is easy to edit. This appears right after Michael talks to his mom, right after he says in Italian "things are changing".
Fantastic! Did anyone manage to record the HBO version ? (Or know the way to do this ?).
ReplyDeleteThere were a few other things missing besides that list of 7 above. Enzo the Baker's first line of dialog is missing (over the end of Sonny's scene in the parking lot)... there's another line or so missing when Tom Hagen summons Buonasera re: Sonny's funeral... and probably a few other fiddly bits as well.
ReplyDeleteAnd here it is :)
ReplyDeleteThe.Godfather.The.Complete.Epic.1901-1959.HDTV.720p-iQ.mkv (Size: 9.57 GB)
http://i.imgur.com/32rsqVH.jpg
Any 1080p version?
DeleteIf a 1080p version shows up, i'll incorporate it into my edit because there are a few scenes missing as mentioned above and i can get a complete hd version with the hbo version.
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ReplyDeleteIt'll be shown again on HBO SignatureHD on January 23 at 9pm
ReplyDeletehttp://www.locatetv.com/tv/godfather-epic/9615799
This is another chance for someone to get a 1080p version
I know it'll be shown again two more times with the last one during the first week of February, but I can't find the schedule on hbo.com anymore
1080i?
DeleteIt's on HBO demand. So you can watch it at any time and also on HBO go, so anyone can just get that in 1080p. Unfortunately I don't have any of the tools to make that happen.
ReplyDeleteThere's a new 14.5GB 720p HDTV recording from the scene group BATV out now. They claim 1080p is coming soon, and they're just making sure they're using the best source/recording possible. Anyone with an IPT account can corroborate this with a simple search :)
ReplyDeleteThe 9.5GB 720p will do me fine until the 1080 version hits. It actually looks pretty darn solid.
ReplyDeleteI miss the scene at the end, Kay lighting candles
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know if there is a 1080p version available yet?
ReplyDeleteAlso just noticed the last few lines of Hagen on the phone with Bonasera are gone, too, since they added the scene with Bonasera getting ready for Vito's visit. The part where he says "he has no doubt that you will repay it..." isn't there.
ReplyDeleteHey. I recently found this blog and it has great info in it. So as far as the HBO version goes. They are adding to the confusion by calling it the Epic. The "Epic" that was made for VHS/Betamax was 386 mins. The 1977 NBC "Novel for TV" or The "Saga" was 434 mins.
ReplyDeleteBeing that this HBO version is 424 min I think it is probably more so the "Saga". (Although what 10 mins are missing?)
Do you agree with this assessment?
The HBO Epic is the most complete form of the Saga in HD as of right now. The HBO Epic contains all of the Saga deleted scenes save for a couple of spare shots here and there that we know are available on other prints that are easily accessible. (ie. home video) The shots not included are detailed in the comments of this post. They probably used the name Epic because all the other existing names were owned by pther broadcast networks. The missing 10 minutes is entirely accounted for by the opening and closing montages, all of which can, incidentally, be found on my YouTube channel, from the AMC broadcast in 2012.
ReplyDeleteKevin. Thanks for the prompt response. Question for anyone who knows:
ReplyDeleteI have the 25th anniversary VHS Trillogy box set. I never unwrapped the cassettes so have never actually viewed that version. Does anyone know where that version stands in terms of content? As much as the Saga or only as much as the 1980-81 "Epic"?
(I know mine contains Part III. I am not talking about that. Just looking for a comparison to my set vs the others as it pertains to the first 2 films)
It's in between the two. It has more footage than the Epic, even without Part III, but less than the Saga, since some scenes are those elusive Saga exclusives.
DeleteIf I'm killing you with the follow up questions I apologize. But I think it makes good discussion in this blog.
DeleteSo I started watching the HBO version last night. I watched 1 hr and 15 mins which is basically all the DeNiro stuff. At about the 1:15 mark is where GF I starts.
So far it does appear that the HBO version IS the '77 NBC / '97 USA / 2012 AMC versions (with the R rated stuff). Making this the most complete version so far. Is that accurate?
I will comment more as I watch more of this HBO version.
It isn't fully complete, but it is the most complete version of Parts I and II that is legitimate (and by legitimate, I mean not a fan edit). The fact that is in HD is a plus. As detailed in this blog, there are numerous other short clips comprised of a few frames that are not in this cut, simply because they couldn't have multiple takes of the same scene in one cut or it wouldn't make sense, but I trust the guys here to deliver the most complete version.
DeleteAnd no, I don't mind answering your questions at all.
I am going through your YouTube playlist of 40 videos right now. I like what you did with this. I'm on 29 currently. Great job of providing a brief description of each scene.
DeleteThanks, I try.
DeleteBecause I'm OCD (not confirmed lol), I also provided CC for each scene.
DeleteI have the ones from Part II as well, but now that the Epic is out, I should probably use that cut. I previously had the AMC broadcast and Modernknife's fan edit.
DeleteHey guys. In my opinion, I'd rather see The Godfather Part I and Part II separately with the deleted versions. Part I being around or approximately 203 minutes (3 hours and 23 minutes) instead of the theatrical runtime of 175 minute (2 hours and 55 minutes). Part II would be around or approximately 227 minutes (3 hours and 47 minutes) instead of the theatrical runtime of 200 minutes. Part II would be beautifully extended with the editing of the timeline of past and present, rise and fall, father and son, of the corleone family.
ReplyDeleteAlthough Chronological is cool, it just isn't the same. Starting Part I with "I believe In America" is already classic within the first 2 seconds. Like I said Part II is perfect for it's timeline editing where as the chronological is just going in order obviously. Also 7 hours is way too long to watch in one setting. The next and final time I'd go 7 hours is when the people at Godfather museum release their version, which I hope is amazing as far as how professionally it will visually, transitioning and editing it will become.
Other than that, I am going to stick with Hal 9000's extended which he will share here when he's done with them, probably no longer than a few weeks to a month depending on how busy he is with life. He's very excellent at it. In the end we have to thank HBO for this. Lol.
At least we can have both the extended and chronological available so everyone is happy, but whenever I feel like watching Part I and II, I'll just pop in the extended editions.
I agree with Dave above. Although the entire 7+ hour chronological uncut is great, I prefer the young Vito scenes to be intertwined with Michael's rise to power.
ReplyDeleteBut I love the addition of the scenes that were not seen in theaters. So ideally what I want is Part I remastered in High Def with the additional footage. As well as Part II done the same way.
My kids are coming of age where I want them to see these greatest 2 movies ever made. But when I show it for them for the first time I don't think the chrono version is the way to go.
Is there such a version out there yet? Not a fanedit. A real version?
No. Any version with additional scenes is chronological.
DeleteIf I am reading the above comments correct Halover9000 made a fanedit of each movie separately with the extra scenes? (Not chronological). It appears he sometime posts as Anonymous and other times with his name. So I am not sure if I am reading that correctly.
ReplyDeleteIf that is right, how can I get a hold of that fanedit?
Thanks.
Diesel Mike, he will post them soon. Don't worry. He is just making sure they are perfect. You won't be disappointed. Even though they are a fan edit, they look so professional. You will be impressed. I'd say no more than a few days or even less, he should share them right here in this website.
ReplyDeleteOnce you watch them this way extended, you probably wouldn't want to go back for the Chronological. Like I said, I'm only interested to see the chronological in the way the person from the godfather museum will pull it off.
Hey everyone! Hal here, over the past few weeks Dave and i have collaborated on perfecting The Godfather Extended Editions, and we've come up with what can now be considered the definitive versions of the two films. The extended editions now use the deleted scenes from the hbo version which include previously unrestored scenes that AMC lacked. HBO also didn't include a few scenes that AMC had and one scene (Santino Jr) wasn't in either AMC or HBO. Extended edition has all the footage in the highest possible quality available and presented the way the director intended, non-chronological. Both films retain they're respective opening and closing credits.Subtitles have also been hardcoded into the films and even placed during scenes they don't normally play (Like the Sollozzo meeting). So if you want a version with all footage available in the highest quality, The Extended Editions are the only available edits that contain that now.
ReplyDeleteFollow the link in this image to get a copy: http://imgur.com/qWJ84ta
wow amazing quality thank you for this halover9000 this is the best versions better than chrono
ReplyDeleteTrailer: https://youtu.be/Z2747Osjmmk
ReplyDeleteWow I thought would never say this but your extended movies are way better than a chronological movie. I love this I'm watching part I half way through. You are an artist Halover9000. I wish I could give you a gift as part of my daughters wedding. My daughter is getting married Saturday and we will watch these movies on Thursday and Friday nights.
ReplyDeletei just watched gf pt 1 and what an amazing experience. i love all the deleted scenes. my favorite is when michael and sonny are talking about who to whack. cant believe they almost wacked clemenza yikes. throughout the movie i saw that only vito and sonny are the only people in his life that he respects and looks up to. everybody else was under him. sonny is my favorite but without his death michael does not take over the family. i love these extended editions. kind of reminds me of the lord of the rings extended.
ReplyDeleteHal,
ReplyDeleteI have followed the link and registered at imgur. Can't seem to find the download link there.
Thank you!
Look at the pastebin link in the image and write it down in a new tab then go to it.
DeleteHal,
ReplyDeleteIncredible work my friend. Wow! I can't wait to watch these this weekend. I'm brand new to the site. Literally just discovered it a few hours ago. How awesome this place is!!! One question: Does anyone know if the chronological cut will be delayed a bit because of the new HBO Epic?? I hope so. Good things are worth waiting for and I'm so pumped for this chronological cut and Hal's extended versions. You guys rock!!!!!
Hal. I am very excited to see you versions. I just watched your trailer on YouTube. I am at work now so I can download the movies. I have never done this before through this imgur link. Will it be obvious what to do? I imagine I am supposed to download this mega file to my computer. But is there a way to then watch it on my HDTV? If you can help walk me through the requirements I will need. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteWhat about to release them as custom BD25-50?
ReplyDeleteThank you very much Halover9000! Now admins from godfathermuseum :
ReplyDelete"! ! ! Please ! ! ! Release Chronological ! ! !"
Hello all, I just want to thank Hal for making this possible, although I must state that the only collaboration that I contributed was just by telling him which scenes need to be place where and extended shots and audio syncing, such as the one where Kay goes back to the hotel and one of my favorites is when Vito tells Mike that he wants to go outside and talk. All in beautiful quality.
ReplyDeleteI am though curious to see what the person/people from this website are going to bring as far as more extended deleted shots. I'm sure there are still a few still that only they have because they have so many sources. If when they release it, I'm sure Hal will use whatever left of extended deleted shots to make the extended editions the most possibly content put on for those. So hopefully we hear some news from the peeps from this website.
Also if anyone has the original NBC saga 1977, please upload it/torrent it. Even if it's censored and bad quality, it's a huge piece of history.
Hi,
ReplyDeleteFirst, thank you halover9000, Kevin Davis, and all contributors to share these fantastic godfather versions. Does anyone know if english subtitles (.srt or other format not hardcoded) are available for this version ?(including fragments for extended scenes that could be useful to make a complete subtitle file). I think it would be nice to allow other people to make translations into many languages.
My videos on YouTube have subtitles. They're made by me, but the HBO version gave me a couple of corrections. I doubt that there will be any subtitles for some of the rarer deleted scenes on the Internet.
DeleteAs I really want to make a fully subtitled version, do you have at least a timeline mentioning where the different additionnal scenes have been added. I will take official bluray subtitles and then insert others. By the way, where can we find the official font ?
DeleteI hope it's not too much begging ;-)
I don't know about the font. I suppose it's available if you look really hard on the Internet, but I'm not knowledgeable about such things.
DeleteWhat I am knowledgeable about, however, is where these scenes were in the chronological version. The descriptions of each of my videos should provide you with the information you need to place the subtitles of the clips in the appropriate places.
The Godfather Epic HBO Re-broadcast
ReplyDeleteThursday, March 3, 11:00PM ET - HBO ZONE EAST
Friday, March 4, 2:00AM ET - HBO ZONE WEST
Sunday, March 20, 9:00PM ET - HBO SIGNATURE EAST
Monday, March 21, 12:00AM ET - HBO SIGNATURE WEST
Friday, March 25, 10:45PM ET - HBO ZONE EAST
Saturday, March 26, 1:45AM ET - HBO ZONE WEST
Comparison 720p rip and 1080i TS
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/161575/picture:2
1080i: details is completely removed, blurry, looks like upscaled old DVD or LD. Heavily DNR’ed.
Can someone make proper record and upload somewhere untouched TS file?
In case people didn't see this (I missed it). There is an online auction of G/F movie items. http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2016/02/04/godfather-auction-boston/
ReplyDeleteThank you very much for those extended versions. I enjoyed them very much. I am burning them to DVD's and will show my friends. These will definitely replace my blu rays. Hal you are a god. You got all the deleted scenes in HD to match the HD movies. Amazing!
ReplyDeleteThere's still at least 45 minutes of footage from various sources for the chronological version that have yet to be seen. HALs editions may be great and all, but I would still rather wait for the CET edit...
ReplyDeleteI am going to reply to the person above me and also to explain deleted/extended shots. This is long so it's going to be in 3 parts titled "The Reply". Lol.
ReplyDeleteThe Reply Part I:
To the person above me, I don't know where you got the 45 minutes from, but that is incorrect. When the original NBC saga first came out in 1977 they said 75 minutes of previously deleted scenes have been inserted. That is 75 minutes of deleted scenes, which includes the opening credits to all 4 nights and the next episode previews with closing credits. In reality, those are not deleted scenes, as we have seen all of those montages throughout the first 2 films. There are a few of them that we have never seen, such as Michael in a car looking and thinking about, Michael and Connie drinking coffee, and Michael looking down while standing up, all of these are from lost Part II footage.
If you want to see those opening/ending credits (with next episode previews) go here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCES-JHVe67rB-Se5JexOy9Q
That's Kevin Davis channel. He post it them from the AMC cut
The Reply Part II:
DeleteHal's versions obviously don't have the opening credits and next episode previews with closing credits, because he is using the Theatrical versions, which totally makes 100% sense, you don't need those credits unless you are watching it in 4 segments like that 4 nights that was shown on NBC.
So that's that. Now there are a few shots that Hal didn't get, due to quality, editing difficulties and few that I just missed out and forgot to tell him. So not counting the opening/ending credits, since they don't offer nothing during the actual film throughout, the following is what is missing from Hal's extendede versions. These adds to about 15 seconds overall.
1) Tom Hagen leaving after seeing Janie from Woltz mansion. He could have gotten this, but the quality dropped big time, so he took it out. I guess if people really want to see everything, he could put that in, just like he did put Santino Jr in). This is 2 seconds of footage. This shot is I believe only available on the chronological The Godfather Trilogy: 1901–1980 (VHS/Laserdisc)
2) The Corleone compound at night. This is right after the deleted scene in where Tom kisses Theresa after having come back from Sollozo and they kiss. This is 2 seconds of footage. This shot is I believe only available on the original NBC cut and the AMC cut. Hal decided this was being difficult with the editing. Maybe he could try a few more times. Up to him.
3) There is an extended cut of Vito disappointed that it was Michael who killed Sollozo. It is right after he tells them to go away and they all leave to go downstairs and right before Tom and Sonny walk downstairs and Sonny yells and says "Pop had Genco and look what I got". This cut also has music added to the scene while in the theatrical cut it's only silence. This is about 5 seconds of footage. This version is I only on the original NBC cut and the AMC cut. I forgot to tell Hal about this, I'm sorry guys. He can put this if he wishes.
4) From Part II, in the De Niro scenes, there is an extended scene that finishes with the music which fades out. This is the scene where he leaves after losing his job. He walks away and the music and scene both finish, and it goes to what is a commercial and then it fades back in and you see a shot of the De Niro's apartment outside. This starts out with what seems like radio music which then goes throughout that scene, where he talks to his wife and then Clemenza calls him for the first time. In the Theatrical version, when he leaves after losing his job, the scene crosses over to the scene where he is with his wife on the table. So it's about 6 seconds of footage. This extended sequence is I believe only available on the original NBC cut and the AMC cut. This was the only other one that I totally forgot to tell him about, he can put this in he wishes to.
5) Young Vito killing Strollo (on the boat with the paddle), there is about 2 seconds of extended footage of that same deleted scene. Basically just 2 more seconds of hitting him one more time I believe. This shot is only on the Italian version of the Godfather epic. Hal didn't include this because I forgot about. This one is really useless and pointless. The horrible quality and just that it's so useless that it's not even worth to put it out. One could really just loop it and fix the audio, but again, pointless. I just thought I would mention this because it's an official extended version (again 2 seconds of pointless frames)
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ReplyDeleteI believe there are 2 more extended shots which don't matter but I guess I could chime in about them.
First one is from the NBC/AMC cut before the first segment of the episode ends, you see Michael just staring down after having told Kay "that's my family Kay, not me" and Right after the opening credits of episode 2 segments, the part "That's my family Kay, not me" instead of moving to Carlo and Mama clapping, we see Michael looking back at the clapping. This could not work in a film, because there are to separate audios being edited, same music, but different editing. So you either take that or you use the Theatrical version, which is what Hal used and I 100% agree with.
Second one from The Japanese VCD, where there is an alternate take of Genco in the hospital, which is in Japanese dialogue. I haven't seen that one, but since it's an alternate take, I'm almost sure it wouldn't work or can't combine both.
So there you go, I'm sure if Hal wants to make version 2, which would have the 4 scenes that I mentioned above, but that is totally up to him. Either way, about all the footage available to us NOT including the opening and ending credits and next episode previews from all versions of the godfather around the world. When I say actual deleted footage, I am talking about in the films.
Oh and obviously the CET (Complete Epic Trilogy) contains part III, so obviously it would be much longer.
Dave - a couple of other omissions: Vito Scotti's first line of dialog should have been looped in over the last few seconds of Sonny's anger at the FBI agents taking down the license plate numbers. I *think* that's in the theatrical cut but it's missing everywhere else. There's also Tom Hagen's phone call to Buonasera after Sonny's murder. That's an editing dilemma as in the theatrical cut it plays over the elevator ride but in the extended cut it makes no sense there. In my own edit, I wound up playing it over a freeze-frame of Hagen on the telephone from earlier in the scene.
ReplyDeleteTo the person above me. Hal did an amazing job on the Bonasera scene. He got ALL of Tom's dialogue plus the deleted scene. So that's taken care of. As far as the Nazareth scene goes, I'm not sure what you are talking about, in the theatrical version it starts out with "But towards the end he was" and that's the way Hal has it in his extended version. I don't recall anything changing around this scene. Where are you getting this from? Maybe on some cuts it was cut for commercials or something. I don't know, but this is the cut there is nothing before it other than Sonny, Clemenza and Paulie walking back to the party.
ReplyDeleteI'll look again at Buonasera... But here's the Nazorene the baker line, it's on the soundtrack after Sonny throws down the money: "He was captured by the American army. Then he was sent to New Jersey as... as a prisoner of war." Then the visuals cut to the usual shot of Nazorene at the Don's desk where the line you quote above continues. Nothing is added VISUALLY... this is a soundtrack issue only. If you or anyone else needs it, I'll be happy to upload an audio file somewhere.
ReplyDeleteMe again... just looked and you're absolutely right, Hal DID do an amazing job on the Buonasera scene. I hadn't noticed he used the dialog over the shot of Brando walking away by slowing the shot down. Kudos and mia apologia!
Delete...just rechecked my old notes. I grabbed the Nazorene dialog from the Fox broadcast of the Epic/Saga/Whatever-They-Called-It...
ReplyDelete! ! ! Upload ! ! ! Please ! ! !
DeleteOK, that's *one* vote ;)
DeleteHere's a Dropbox link to the relevant segment as a MOV file. The technically savvy can extract the necessary audio and insert it into whatever project they desire.
Deletehttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/80687118/Nazorene%27s%20First%20Line.mov
Oh wow. I've never hear of that. That's very cool. Hal messaged me today and he added the rest of the deleted scenes, including that Nazarene audio over Sonny, Clemenza and Paulie leaving. Cool find! Where exactly is that from? Fox channel? Or do you mean NBC? The original airing? Or USA networks?
ReplyDeleteIt's from a FOX Network broadcast of the Chronological edit sometime in the 1990s. I also do have better quality footage (although not MUCH better!) of the Santino Jr. trim. Any of the rare footage I have now exists only as part of my own massive edit project on DVD, as my Betamax and VHS stuff has all gone the way of the dumpster.
DeleteOh I see. That's awesome. Post the Santino Jr please. Just curious to see. Also are you going to post your own edit?
DeleteAt this point, I don't think posting my own "Abbondanza Edition" edit would serve any real purpose - it's in SD, still in unfinished workprint form, and drawn in some cases from less-than-optimal sources - and, frankly, it's been outdone by the HBO edition, Hal's work and surely our hosts' edit (being that they've mentioned a few bits and pieces in the past which I don't have. Besides, why muddy the waters?
DeleteHaving said all that, here's a ZIP file containing two MPEG-2 clips of the Santino Jr. trim. One is pulled from my edit/workprint (you'll see the rough cut) and was seeming slightly color-corrected by myself during the assembly (it's been years; I can't remember!). The other clip has fades in- and -out and comes from the "bonus features" section of a DVD I made some time back to preserve the intact US laserdisc of the "Trilogy". Aside from the fades, I believe this is what the Betamax source looked like.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/80687118/Santino_Jr.zip
Oh wow that's cool. Thanks for sharing that. Hal will definitely be using that for Part II to his upgrade. I wonder why it was only shown once on NBC and never again. Maybe there is no HD or good quality or maybe the whole "Santino" name, they didn't want to confuse the audience, I don't know. Weird. Thanks though!
DeleteAny chance to see the scene where Michael blows Fabrizio away with a shotgun ? Or the deleted scene where Clemenza's hoods beat the guys ?
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DeleteThose scenes don't exist anymore. They are gone for good.
DeleteI'm the person who made the 45 minute reply
ReplyDeleteWhen I said 45 minutes of footage I didn't literally mean "never before seen deleted scenes" (that would be interesting though), but additional shots/scenes/dilogue to already existing footage. For ex. all the ones you mentioned above that weren't included in HALs edit, from an Argentinian VHS a close up of John Woltz that isn't found anywhere else, and the material from the Japanese VCD. For those specific scenes that arguably don't work in the film, are being incorporated as part of the opening montage.
Oh okay I see. So like all the opening/ending credits from all over the world and shots that were made for television edits (such as Woltz covering up his blanket for the horse scene and Sonny beating up Carlo in a television edit). I guess that is cool to see for the Complete Epic Trilogy
ReplyDeleteAs far as for Hal's edit, I think it's pretty complete for a perfect extended films for Part I and Part II whenever he edits and incorporates those deleted ones that I mentioned above.
HALs edits are only a complete edition for HD
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ReplyDeleteThey are a complete edition in HD for the separate parts as in GF Part I and GF Part II. As far Chronological, those other shots and opening/ending credits can be used for the godfathermuseum CET edit as in will not work in the actual Part I and Part II films.
ReplyDeleteSo yeah if you wanna watch Part I and Part II complete extended (In HD as well), Hal will have version 2 with the rest of those deleted shots I mentioned above. For all the other deleted shots/credits, opening/ending credits (such as Kay lighting the candles), next episode previews and any other shots that CANNOT work in the separate films, the wait will continue for the edit aka the CET.
@Dave: Can't reply above for some reason, but I'm glad the MPEG-2 files will be useful to Hal... The source on those was the original home video release of the Chronological Edit, circa 1984 or so -- I recall dubbing them from a mom and pop VHS rental store copy to Beta back in the day; that was the last time the Santino Jr trim was seen in the USA. I believe the reason for the subsequent deletion was (quite simply) the decision to excise the Santino Jr. character from the chronology to better suit Sonny's "heir" being set up as Vincent Mancini in GFIII. Like the movie or hate it, it's certainly a better decision plotwise to drop a football-player son seen for only 10 seconds in a TV cut ;)
ReplyDelete@Dave & Hal: Abbondanza guy here again. So, I'm finally getting around to doing a side-by-side viewing of the HBO version with my cut. Nothing major to report thus far (I'm about 3 hours in), but a few instances worth noting: Several frames of DeNiro looking at baby Fredo are missing in the HBO version. I have a longer version of one of the shots where Fanucci hops off the truck DeNiro is driving, a slightly longer version of one of the first shots at the Corleone, Sicily train station, and a much longer shot of Clemenza's driveway just before they pull out on Paulie's final ride. As I said, nothing major -- thus far less than 10 seconds' worth -- but it's probably worth noting.
ReplyDeleteYeah I figured there are like a between a second and a few seconds of longer frames in a few scenes, but not much throughout the saga/epic/chronological. I don't think Hal will incorporated seeing as it's not in HD. There are only 2 trims Hal incorporated that were not in HD because they were so rare and kind of interesting. 1 for each film. Part I and Part II. Part I has the Tom Hagen leaving after seeing Janie in the woltz. He now has Tom Hagen leaving and then back to the stairs while it dissolves to Connie and Carlo, it's a great editing on his job. And the other is the Santino Jr one. Again those were the only two he incorporated because of how rare and interesting they are and one for each film is good enough.
ReplyDeleteHopefully when our host releases their edit, we will see everything in the same quality (SD?)(except probably the Santino Jr) Lol.
Indeed... I'm kind of operating on the basis of "a difference which makes no difference is no difference at all"; the only one of the above that really bugged me was the driveway shot, but again -- I'd never have noticed it had I not been making such an intense comparison.
DeleteThe only other thing of substance I've noticed missing from the HBO edit (aside from what's been documented in all of the above posts) is an establishing shot of Kay's taxi waiting for her outside the house preceding the scene showing her visit with the kids.
DeleteCould you upload all those slightly longer versions and the driveway and Kay's taxi? I'm just curious to see them even if they aren't that insignificantly important or HD.
ReplyDeleteYeah, Dave... I'm now planning on expanding the HBO version for my own reedit, and starting to assemble the missing pieces. I'll throw a quick MPEG-2 of material up in a few hours. PS: the hell with Anonymous ;)
DeleteHahaha nice to meet you Steve. And yeah, looking forward to it. I'm actually going to play basketball so when I come back in a few hours hopefully I'll have something to look. Just curious, what are your top 5 fav movies of all time? Mine are...
ReplyDelete1) The Good, The Bad and the Ugly (1966)
2) The Godfather Part II (1972)
3) The Godfather (1974)
4) Casablanca (1942)
5) Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)
Impossible question to answer, but the only movies I've ever felt it necessary to work on like this have been The Godfather, 1776 and Yellow Submarine ;) I do love 4 of your top 5 -- I'd probably swap High Noon for Good, Bad, Ugly and Citizen Kane would have to be in there somewhere.
DeleteGot the raw MPEG-2 done in record time. Here's everything I spotted in context. Sadly, my own raw cut is missing a couple of shots from the AMC edit that I would like to have used in my final version, but won't because of the screenbug clutter: the establishing shots of the Corleone compound a) after Hagen's reunion with Teresa and b) after Paulie's murder. In the following MPEG-2 I have left the edits nice and loose so you can see where everything fits in context. This file is as much for my own use as yours, so there'll be stuff in here you won't need.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/80687118/Godfather%20Additional%20Footage.mpg
Why is everyone coming here to post about how great the Hal9000 Extended Editions, their own attempts at re-edits and other random discussions.
ReplyDeleteThere's Fanedit.org for that
http://www.fanedit.org/forums/forum.php
Oh, nice stuff Steve! Although the Fanucci one I really can't see the difference between yours and Hal's. Hal has what you have except in HD of course. I can't seem to see the difference between the Sicily train scene. Looks the same to me as Hal's. The baby Fredo scene unfortunately is gone in Hal's because he is using the Theatrical which on that scene it switches from present to past. Michael is mad at Hagen because he wouldn't give him a straight answer anymore and then it goes back to the past and you don't see those first few baby Fredo frames. I did notice the Clemenza driveway scene. Only about a second to almost 2 seconds longer. The kids playing are more in the back as they make their way towards the sidewalk. The one I really liked was the Taxi. Pretty cool. I liked that one. I guess everything else doesn't really matter but thank you so much for sharing!
ReplyDeleteAs for your favorite movies, that's cool. It is hard to to pick favorite ones. I am now watching the Predator on TV. Lol. Thanks again. And I think Hal should upload his new versions on the weekend.
My opinions almost to a T. My final list of possible alterations to the HBO edit ran to 14 items, with only about half being actually worthwhile to do. In addition, I'll be breaking it out, in episodic fashion, to four dual layer DVDs including Godfather III and thus will need additional credit sequences (which thus allows me to use Kay lighting the candles).
DeleteDo you think it's possible to clean Steve's version of Santino Jr scene (even mixing with frames from the black and white version) to make it nearer to the HD version published by Hall9000 ?
ReplyDeleteI believe Hal will be using my footage in his next version, so let's see what he can come up with. There's only so much polishing you can do to a turd, though... ;)
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